Me? Upgrade to Windows Vista? (Poll)

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Will you upgrade to Vista?

Yes
13%
No
59%
Meh
28%

Total Votes: 128

Will Vista Wow?

Windows Vista is finally here, not that anyone is holding their breaths.

So far, Windows Vista is receiving tepid reception despite Bill Gates himself doing the dog and pony show. Most of the reviews I have seen are definitely not going wow yet.. see an example here from Tom's Hardware that didn't sound wow.

As all the pros and cons have been done to death by the MS supporters and the bashers, I will not go there. Last time I offered my views on Vista, the post attracted comments from a few irate IT experts.

So here is the acid test for Windows Vista. Will any of the Viners be buying - with their own hard earned cash, any version of the Vista in the next, say 6 months?

While I believe that for the long run Vista will be the OS that we were promised way back, it is too early to upgrade now. While my computer checks out I will be waiting until SP1 or even SP 2 comes out before I upgrade. Hopefully by then, I will be buying a whole new computer, so I can get Vista as part of the computer.

For now I will wait.

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{"commentId":500872,"authorDomain":"icarus4586"}

icarus4586

I've got a laptop that had been running Windows XP x64. There were a few problems though - the clock didn't keep good time when it wasn't plugged in, and it would drop packets like crazy when not plugged in.

I got Windows Vista Business through my university's MSDNAA, and installed it. It looks prettier than XP. My clock and network adapters work now. Haven't had any problems with programs. The search feature is handy.

But would I pay $whatever to buy it? Erm, probably not.

Besides, I use my Mac much more, anyway.

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2 votes

#1 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:36 PM EST

{"commentId":500880,"authorDomain":"super-structure"}

I've pre-ordered a copy to install on my iMac using Parallels; does that count? It's not really an upgrade, since I have a copy of Windows XP on there, too. Incidently, it seems that most of the people who are blown away by Vista are mac users. Perhaps it's a matter of expectations, both low and high. Either way, I'll reserve my judgment for when my copy arrives and I've had a chance to try it out for a while.

{"commentId":500880,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"super-structure"}

4 votes

#2 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:40 PM EST

{"commentId":502102,"authorDomain":"thura"}

Yes, it does count. I have also been seeing several Mac users taling about their experience of running Vista. And you are right. They seem to be quite impressed with some of he features.

Anyway do let us now somewhere what your experience is like.

{"commentId":502102,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"thura"}

1 vote

#2.1 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:01 AM EST

{"commentId":504604,"authorDomain":"super-structure"}

While probably I'm the last person to learn about this, I'd like to point out my mistake so anyone else who didn't know won't do the same. The EULA for Vista Home editions (Basic and Premium) state that you may not use them on a Virtual Machine or emulation. I do not know if there is some work around to this, but given Microsoft's ever-increasing drive to crack down on license violations, I'm not willing to take that risk.

Anyone who is considering purchasing Vista for use on a VM (i.e. – Parallels for the Mac), Microsoft states you must by Business or Ultimate. Further, keep in mind that OEM copies may not be returned once opened (in case you're feeling like just giving it a shot anyway).

Please feel free to point out that I should have known this all along. ;)

{"commentId":504604,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"super-structure"}

4 votes

#2.2 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:22 AM EST

{"commentId":505654,"authorDomain":"Paradox460"}

Here is a rule of thumb:
Never buy the "Home" edition of any microsoft product, it will be full of tie-ins to upgrade, half-features, and other annoyances, plus talking paperclips to "help" you out.

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5 votes

#2.3 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:32 PM EST

{"commentId":513162,"authorDomain":"arewethereyet"}

Arrrf JohnsonDeleted

{"commentId":501106,"authorDomain":"chromaphobic"}

John Coleman

I had to answer "meh" because I'm not sure what my timetable is for getting Vista. I use Windows for two things: testing websites and playing games. IE7 is available for XP, so no reason to get Vista any time soon there. And there are no DX10 games and the DX10 graphics cards are still prohibitively expensive, so no reason to get Vista there either. (Compounded by the fact that early reports show existing games suffering a measurable performance decrease under Vista at this point.)

I intend to eventually replace my two desktops (a G5 and a Falcon gaming PC) with a single desktop, and dual-boot. So I'm waiting for Apple to release a Mac Pro with a DX10-compatible card as a BTO option at very least, at which point I'll get a copy of Vista. Until then, no thanks. It offers no compelling reason to upgrade.

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4 votes

#3 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:25 PM EST

{"commentId":501489,"authorDomain":"Dustratt"}

DustRatt

I agree, the cheapest DX10 Video card out there is $400+ , include that to the price of Vista= a lot of $.(thats if you don't need RAM or a new processor) and the installation requires an old OS installed, so if your hard drive dies or something happens to your Vista install you have to first install windows XP or 2000 and then upgrade to vista. you could of course spend a couple of hundred $ to avoid it.(story & DX10 VC )

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#3.1 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:48 PM EST

{"commentId":502104,"authorDomain":"thura"}

Yeah, I almost went out and bought a DX10 Vid Card (the OC'ed XFX XXX series) last weekend, but didn't in the end.

I use my home PC for games and for my family to surf the net or e-mails with few other uses. According to the Tom's hardware article, Vista gaming is still behind that of XP. So I am holding off upgrading.

{"commentId":502104,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"thura"}

1 vote

#3.2 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:05 AM EST

{"commentId":501116,"authorDomain":"simon-says"}

Simon L

Nevar! :P

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2 votes

#4 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:30 PM EST

{"commentId":501315,"authorDomain":"redwolf"}

Red Wolf

Maybe.

The desktop is due a rebuild, so it may come under consideration then, but there's enough legacy hardware on the box that will be kept, that an upgrade may well be problematic. It's more likely that I'll end up running Vista through Parallels on the Mac as a development test instance.

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4 votes

#5 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:12 PM EST

{"commentId":501584,"authorDomain":"masem"}

Masem

Eventually my current windows box, mostly created for gaming, will be woefully out of date that I'll need a new one; in the meantime it does everything I want and for only a few bucks more I can get things that make it look and act like Vista (Windowblinds, etc.)

Given the new news that you have to have XP installed, and thus Vista won't install "clean" makes me even more hesitant about doing anything to my current box, and thus I'll wait until I have to get a new machine, one that will be Vista-ready out of the box.

{"commentId":501584,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"masem"}

2 votes

#6 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:31 PM EST

{"commentId":502106,"authorDomain":"thura"}

That's exactly my plan. With my PC slightly a year old, it should be good for the another year or more. By that time Vista should be stabilizedd by then and I get a new box.

I didn't upgrade to XP until SP2 came out. I stubbonly stuck with Windows ME (crashes and BSOD and all).

{"commentId":502106,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"thura"}

1 vote

#6.1 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:08 AM EST

{"commentId":503245,"authorDomain":"koozebane"}

Koozebane

I gotta build a new box this year sometime. I'm overdue now as it is.

I'll set up several HDs with various operating systems and boot the one that will work best for what I'm doing at the time.

I might as well include Vista whenever I decide to make my move.

I'd like for the prices on the DX3D10 cards to come down a wee bit before then......but as new games come out with all the bells and whistles, it's going to be harder to resist.

Will it be within six months? Dunno.

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1 vote

#6.2 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:41 PM EST

{"commentId":503829,"authorDomain":"thura"}

I'd like for the prices on the DX3D10 cards to come down a wee bit before then......but as new games come out with all the bells and whistles, it's going to be harder to resist.

Especially HALO 2 and Crysis!!

{"commentId":503829,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"thura"}

1 vote

#6.3 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:36 PM EST

{"commentId":501776,"authorDomain":"binro"}

Binro

I'll get a pirated copy when I eventually upgrade to an Intel mac.

{"commentId":501776,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"binro"}

4 votes

#7 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:33 PM EST

{"commentId":501931,"authorDomain":"tschreck"}

tschreck

i'd like to someday upgrade, but truthfully, my copy of xp is still in the shrink wrap.

i have ..

no.

need.

what.

so.

ever.

one happy mac user!

{"commentId":501931,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"tschreck"}

6 votes

#8 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:18 PM EST

{"commentId":502064,"authorDomain":"fscott"}

Frank Scott

I just bought a new 20" iMac in December, after putting up with Microsoft for 20+ years, and I've never been happier. I have a new copy of Windows XP that I could install using Parallels or Boot Camp, but I can really do everything I want with my iMac, so I haven't bothered.

I've read several reviews about Vista, and it looks to me like most of the new features are already available with with my Apple, and I'm sure the new version of OS X coming soon will blow the doors off of Vista.

I would seriously advise anyone contemplating purchasing Vista to hold off for six months or longer for SP1 or SP2 to be released, unless you really need a new computer now.

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3 votes

#8.1 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:22 AM EST

{"commentId":502108,"authorDomain":"thura"}

Wait till Sp2 if XP was any indication. Better yet wait till you buy the next PC.

{"commentId":502108,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"thura"}

2 votes

#8.2 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:10 AM EST

{"commentId":502110,"authorDomain":"thura"}

I notice here as well as on several tech sites that more than a few Mac users are beginning to use Parallell or BootCamp to run XP or even Vista. While I don't use a laptop for personal use, I am beginning to think that a Mac would be cool to have.

In fact half of the posters here are Mac users. Do you think that will be the trend? Or the base of Mac users wanting to run XP/Vista is small.

{"commentId":502110,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"thura"}

3 votes

#9 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:16 AM EST

{"commentId":502142,"authorDomain":"faruk"}

Faruk Ates

In fact half of the posters here are Mac users.

By now, perhaps, but that certainly wasn't the case a good year ago when Newsvine was still pretty new.

We've seen a ton of Viners switch to Mac over the last year; I think we'll only see more Switchers and only a small percentage of them will care about Vista, I bet.

{"commentId":502142,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"faruk"}

2 votes

#9.1 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:35 AM EST

{"commentId":502144,"authorDomain":"redwolf"}

Red Wolf

It may not be Mac users interested in trying XP/Vista, but Windows users who've switched and still need Windows for that one legacy application or for testing purposes.

{"commentId":502144,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"redwolf"}

5 votes

#9.2 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:40 AM EST

{"commentId":502186,"authorDomain":"janeway77"}

Michael the Great

I think Microsoft is in real trouble, now that Macs use Intels and virtualization makes it possible to run whatever you want.

The ability to run Windows if you need to will cause a lot of people to look at a Mac now. This is especially true since most reviewers of Vista say that it is a poor knockoff of OS X anyway.

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4 votes

#9.3 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:20 AM EST

{"commentId":502490,"authorDomain":"tcervo"}

gecko85

I'm a Mac user and I run XP in Parallels...but not very often, and only because I have to. I use it to test websites and applications. I don't *use* it for anything...I might eventually install Vista as well, but not until it becomes more of a necessity for testing purposes.

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2 votes

#9.4 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:12 AM EST

{"commentId":502529,"authorDomain":"super-structure"}

I think Microsoft is in real trouble, now that Macs use Intels and virtualization makes it possible to run whatever you want.

I'm not sure that it's a problem for Redmond, but rather for Dell and HP. Let's face it, more mac users are buying copies of Windows now than ever before. As far as Microsoft is concerned, Boot Camp/Parallels/VMWare (and Microsoft's own crappy Virtual PC) are the best thing that ever happened to an Apple computer. Microsoft is primarily (at least for now) a software company and I don't think they much care what machine their OS gets run on. We're still a long way away from it not being the dominant OS on the market and while I do agree that this is a great way for people to "switch" without having to cut Windows cold-turkey, it also still sells copies of Windows (and Office, the other MS juggernaut).

As for Vista being a bad OS X knock-off, here's what Leander Kahney, Wired's Cult of Mac blogger had to say:

The OS is dark and handsome. It's really quite exciting. Like the Zune's interface, it's artfully done. The beautifully-rendered shadow effects and transparency give Vista a greater "depth" than OS X, which looks a little flat and well… old fashioned in comparison. I know this is because Vista's new and novel, but it makes OS X look dated.

I'm not fan-boy of either (I've used both since the original Macintosh as well as Windows 3.0), but Microsoft takes too many knocks for their UI design. Sure Windows is just now catching up after a long lag, but the Windows Media Center UI is simply great, and the UIs on both the Zune and the XBox 360 are both very well thought out. I haven't gotten a lot of time to spend with Vista yet (hoping to this weekend, actually), but most fair accounts I've read say that it's got a number of significant improvements to the Windows interface.

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2 votes

#9.5 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:26 AM EST

{"commentId":502865,"authorDomain":"tschreck"}

tschreck

Like the Zune's interface, it's artfully done.

that statement pretty much blows the reviewers credibility in my book..

i have played with a zune and there is nothing artful about it. i would go so far as to say it is anti-artful

{"commentId":502865,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"tschreck"}

6 votes

#9.6 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:51 PM EST

{"commentId":503191,"authorDomain":"super-structure"}

I didn't find it to be that bad; but then again, when you're "competition" is the iPod, you've got a big hill to climb. The iPod represents one of the single best UI's ever. It's a big leap to second. Still, I agree with Kahney and stand by my statement that it's a well thought-out UI (it's somewhat similar to the MCE interface, actually).

{"commentId":503191,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"super-structure"}

1 vote

#9.7 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:13 PM EST

{"commentId":513171,"authorDomain":"arewethereyet"}

Arrrf JohnsonDeleted

{"commentId":513248,"authorDomain":"super-structure"}

Well, I just really don't care enough to carry this out too far, but what exactly do you not like about it? Too many clicks? To hard to find anything? What is your opinion of a good UI and how is the Zune different?

My brief use of it left me fairly impressed. Perhaps it's somehow more 'in tune' with my way of thinking, but it felt intuitive and fast to me. I do admit after years of using an iPod, the fact that it wasn't a scroll wheel felt a bit odd at first. However, I found the display very attractive, the animations slick, and doing common tasks (playing a song or album) to be very easy. I've not been convinced by the UI to go out and buy one, but then again, I still use a 3G iPod because I've not been convinced that Apple's improvements of the iPod interface are worth the upgrade there, either (and I don't hear anyone dissing that UI).

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#9.9 - Mon Feb 5, 2007 1:29 PM EST

{"commentId":514431,"authorDomain":"arewethereyet"}

Arrrf JohnsonDeleted

{"commentId":514631,"authorDomain":"faruk"}

Faruk Ates

frankly, i would go with another system if it was as good as what MS does.

I don't quite settle for "as good as", so I went with "much better than" :-)

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1 vote

#9.11 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 5:09 AM EST

{"commentId":515036,"authorDomain":"tcervo"}

gecko85

I don't quite settle for "as good as", so I went with "much better than" :-)

Same here...

I have to "settle" for what MS does on a daily basis, but luckily it's only part of the time. I use Windows every day at work for testing, but the actual work happens on OS X...And for me, there's no comparison. After years (and years, and years) firmly in the Windows world, both at home and at work, I made the switch to OS X...first at work, then at home. Windows is now an afterthought. I'm far more productive in OS X, no matter what it is I'm doing. Bottom line: I like OS X better. Much better.

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2 votes

#9.12 - Tue Feb 6, 2007 11:13 AM EST

{"commentId":502654,"authorDomain":"lufbery"}

Lufbery

Your question is whether we will upgrade our current system and not buy a new one, so I don't apply.

I have been holding off buying a home computer to replace the one I have (4+ years) now for Vista. So, I will be buying Vista wrapped into a computer. I am guessing that over half of Vista sales will come from people buying computers with Vista on it and many of those have been waiting to buy computers until Vista came out.

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2 votes

#10 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:21 PM EST

{"commentId":502656,"authorDomain":"danielfreudenberg"}

danielfreudenberg

Possibly will buy it with my next desktop computer if it is not a Mac.

{"commentId":502656,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"danielfreudenberg"}

1 vote

#11 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:22 PM EST

{"commentId":502675,"authorDomain":"zaki"}

Zaki

For those that do want to buy it, be sure to get it on Newegg.com, they have excellent prices for OEM versions.

I can't see myself spend $200 on Vista Ultimate 32bit OEM...I rather spend $100 on laptop 1GB ram and $100 on new laptop hard-drive.

Not to mention, I do not want to upgrade the desktop if it means that it will become slow as hell, it's almost 4 years old.

{"commentId":502675,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"zaki"}

2 votes

#12 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:29 PM EST

{"commentId":502694,"authorDomain":"danielfreudenberg"}

danielfreudenberg

It will nearly definitely become slower.

{"commentId":502694,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"danielfreudenberg"}

1 vote

#12.1 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:38 PM EST

{"commentId":502808,"authorDomain":"super-structure"}

Ars Technica has some information on OEM software, particularly Microsoft OEM discs, for those who are not familiar with what that means. It's a good way to get a new copy (as opposed to upgrading), but it might not be for everyone.

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3 votes

#12.2 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:27 PM EST

{"commentId":502696,"authorDomain":"chill888"}

chill

i have a new laptop and a free upgrade coupon ..... i'll get the disk upgrade (since free) but i will wait as long as possible to install until some of the bugs and the many compatibility issues get worked out

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2 votes

#13 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:38 PM EST

{"commentId":502737,"authorDomain":"quiplash"}

Quiplash

I am sticking with Windows XP and Office 2003 for as long as possible on my home computer and my notebook. Eventually my workplace will move to the new operating system, but I doubt that will take place very quickly, because of the cost and the fact that our IT support staff are already overworked as it is.

I am seriously considering moving away from Windows altogether, moving either to the Mac or to Linux. I have easy access to experts from either platform (I work at a university), and I am (I hope) sufficiently geeky enough to handle a Linux installation. Speaking as a lifelong DOS/Windows user since the time the first IBM PC XT came out, I'm just sick and tired of jumping through Microsoft's hoops and lining Bill Gates' pockets.

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2 votes

#14 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:51 PM EST

{"commentId":516473,"authorDomain":"arewethereyet"}

Arrrf JohnsonDeleted

{"commentId":502740,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

Several reasons I'm not buying Vista:

A. I'll probably get a new computer within the next few years with Vista installed
B. It's a pain to install (http://chkpt.zdnet.com/chkpt/1pcast.bole.012607/http://podcast-files.cnet.com/podcast/cnetbuzz_012607.mp3 is a good example, the host, Tom, tries to install Vista and it only sort of works)
C. I've got Kubuntu 6.10
D. It's expensive

I would love to try Vista, but it isn't worth it. I will say one thing: While Vista might not be good (as all the Microsoft bashers say), it's better than XP by all accounts.

Oh, and I second Zaki with recommending NewEgg.com.

{"commentId":502740,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

2 votes

#15 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:53 PM EST

{"commentId":504020,"authorDomain":"thura"}

C. I've got Kubuntu 6.10

While I have been toying around with the idea of running Linux, I am not sure that I will be using it that much, hence not worth the hassle of installing or even running off a CD. Do you actually get o use Kubuntu on a regular basis? Say more than 50% of your on-computer time?

{"commentId":504020,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"thura"}

2 votes

#15.1 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:33 PM EST

{"commentId":504923,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

Surprisingly, yes. I like the interface a LOT more than Windows. It won't install things the best (I use this site to find out if I'm stuck installing something), but it has a lot of software with it, is more secure, will read/write to my Windows partition (see here for more), and it will run a ton of Windows software via WINE. On weekends, I usually start off my day with Kubuntu, half-way through restart back into Windows for gaming, and either stay in Windows or go back to Kubuntu after I'm done.

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3 votes

#15.2 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:13 PM EST

{"commentId":502944,"authorDomain":"rhodezone"}

rhodezone

I'll be waiting to see what happens first: buying a new desktop with Vista bundled, OSX portable to all Intel hardware, or Adobe software finally working reliably on WINE so I can scoot over to SuSe or Ubuntu full-time. I'd prefer the latter.

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2 votes

#16 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:18 PM EST

{"commentId":504932,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

Did you try the Photoshop CS2 on Ubuntu in 8 Steps or the Dreamweaver and Flash 8 on Ubuntu Dapper yet? That might help. I don't know, I don't have Photoshop (though I will be trying to install Dreamweaver MX 2004 tommorow, I'll tell you how that goes).

{"commentId":504932,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

2 votes

#16.1 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:18 PM EST

{"commentId":506914,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

Apparently MX 2004 won't install correctly. Oh well.

{"commentId":506914,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

2 votes

#16.2 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 2:16 PM EST

{"commentId":506998,"authorDomain":"super-structure"}

Not that it's the cheapest option (although arguable the most reliable), Photoshop CS3 (Universal Binaries) on an Intel Core Duo 2 mac is phenomenal. I kid you not, it opens in about the same time as Acrobat Reader. There a ways away from having UB versions of Dreamweaver (or really any of either the Adobe or Macromedia line-ups), but if that's the sort of software you use to make a living with, you'd be hard pressed to find a more solid solution once those are available.

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3 votes

#16.3 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 2:49 PM EST

{"commentId":503205,"authorDomain":"super-structure"}

An interesting quote from David Pogue's piece on Vista in the NY Times last month:

According to a SoftChoice survey, in fact, only 6 percent of existing corporate PCs have enough muscle to run all of Vista's goodies. No wonder Microsoft expects that only about 5 percent of PC users will upgrade their existing computers to Vista.

Now that's 6% of corporate PC's, which often don't have 3D graphics capabilities or even sound cards. However, 5% upgrading of all PC users is pretty low. It looks like most people are just going to wait to buy a new machine with their new OS pre-installed which, frankly, is probably very smart of most people.

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3 votes

#17 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:20 PM EST

{"commentId":503277,"authorDomain":"benpage26"}

Ben Page

I'm sure that they have only just fixed all the bugs on XP. I'd love to move onto vista but i'm on a low-end machine and am not to keen on an OS stealing even more ram from me.

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1 vote

#18 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:53 PM EST

{"commentId":503401,"authorDomain":"americanpolitics"}

searaymanDeleted

{"commentId":503501,"authorDomain":"Paradox460"}

Just buy a mac, and get it now.

{"commentId":503501,"threadId":"71965","contentId":"542737","authorDomain":"Paradox460"}

7 votes

#20 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:16 PM EST

{"commentId":505661,"authorDomain":"Paradox460"}

Vista is:

A stripped down version of OSX
Nothing more than a service pack and a theme
5 Years of development for this?
3 years behind the curve
Butt ugly (pile 3 windows with text on top of each other, then say how pretty semi-transparency looks
Still uses registry
Proof that microsoft is slipping in the OS market, and gaining in the Home market

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3 votes

#20.1 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:35 PM EST

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Also, almost 2x as pricey.
OSX= 1 consumer edition (not counting server, although it is damn nice), at $128 for the NEWEST one.
Vista= 9, 10, however many editions, each above $200 dollars

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3 votes

#20.2 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:39 PM EST

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Brownspank

Pretty much everyone else's opinions here have helped me reinforce my decision: get Vista only as part of a computer purchase, and only after Service Pack 1 has been released.

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4 votes

#21 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:10 PM EST

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Pretty much everyone else's opinions here have helped me reinforce my decision: get Vista only as part of a computer purchase, and only after Service Pack 1 has been released.

That sums it up. In the end it will make sense to upgrade to Vista, but not today.

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4 votes

#21.1 - Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:28 PM EST

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